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Elite Dangerous – Botting, Cheats Plus Frontier's Financials a financial history of the world

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There’s two subjects I want to take a brief look at today for Elite Dangerous; botting and Frontier’s latest financial report. Now, the botting issue is tangentiallyrelated to related to this weeks issue report. Meanwhile the latest financial report briefly touches on Odyssey.

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ObsidianAnt 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Do you think you have ever been affected by bots or cheats in Elite?

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The Faceless One 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

The eeasiest fix to bots:

Make Solo servers be basically where you learn the game like it should be… You can still do anything and everything… except turn off all reputation gains, and also at most 10% of total money you'd earn in open. If they can make missions worth little to nothing, do that… or just have them give absolutely nothing besides a select handful designed to train new players. And then guess what you Frontier… You add a damn system so communicate with other players WOAHHH… Allow veterans to easily link up and play with new players, similar to SC… Helpers could be rated and reviewed to weed out griefers but no matter what you're going to get them so deal with it. It's better than nothing … and omg look at that, u got a game where ppl authentically have to work for things… they can't just hide in a closed off circuit of the game, basically cheating … I mean, the only reason why no one gives fook is this has 0 economy to even care about or anything financial to even be proud to own. ED you guys got a community with 10x the idea's then lame excuses used.. but you will never do anything, it seems to make this game be revitalized..

It's too far gone at this point.. no one cares that's quit already that you fixed an 8 yo error or bug from the official launch that's been reported daily for daily, likely… either I feel this game's going to just slowly fade away into the abyss or something big is going to have to happen… not only to bring new players but the ten's of thousands that quit after you basically scammed us with Odyssey.. you guys shouldn't even have a damn community with how you treat the player base.. I know for a damn fact, if handed over the game, the community would make the best version of this game to ever exist. It would be glorious. But we have to deal with a company that is unable to fix bugs that have existed for 8 years or more.. or introduce new content that actually is finished. Has there ever been a piece of content that hasn't had 90 % of the content missing it felt and never gets a look over…

I don't get you guys at all… until we get some employees to talk super detailed day-to-day operations I don't know what the hell you guys do, it sure seems the only things you put effort into is banning players who disagree, and ship skins..

07 frontier >_<

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John Michaelson 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Imagine boiling down the last four months of anger with Odyssey to "connectivity issues." Obviously truth in advertising doesn't extend to truth in financial disclosures.

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CMDR_Freeborg 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I left BF5 for good because of cheating, and I dont play some games because of cheating.
botting on ED?BGS manipulation by bots? kick them out I say!
About ED BGS:
I have tried the "turning the wheel" for some time now
helping the Dark Wheel to expand, I have done hundreds of missions for them
but in the end it seems to me that nothing really matters in this game
BSG is decided by someone at Fdev who don't really care about it
and who has never done what other players do to push it one way or another…
7 years on we still talking about Raxxla, what a joke.

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The Faceless One 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Frontier ain't banning the bots.. .without them, their true active players would show.. lol and it's probably 50% of what steam charts says… I imagine this is why you also don't get kicked from the game ever, or login screens.. ED ED ED….. shaking my head what o what have u become..
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Seems like they gave up on console as well, which I'm happy for.. they can't even make one version good, how they gonna do 5. At least it seems this way, they sure are being super quiet about it, I haven't seen one post or anything for anywhere lately. Wasn't it supposed to be out already?

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Patchwork 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I'm more then happy to let the PC players Beta test Odyssey as long as they need to let them slog through all the janky broken shit and let the console players get the finished product

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Vinigarr 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Botting BGS and PP is part of a larger issue in that there are discord groups actively influencing it all.

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Day Late Gamer With Will 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

And to top it all off, still no ship interiors

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Andrew 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Are bots even a bad thing? I hardly ever see other players in ED so idk how that effects me.

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AutumnCorvidae 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

It's just painful to see the potential in your B-roll footage marred by all those graphical glitches.

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antwan1357 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Botting both helps and hurts elite dangerous helps when player's purchase multiple accounts hurts when those bots push single account players to feel that anything they do is worthless pointless as 💯 plus ships will show up and erase your weekly efforts all in one day dropping influence without a single shot fired . This is why most players want an open player only experience that own only one account. The galaxy is big enough that players will travel far to avoid crime infested areas.

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HumpiestCandy 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

After they made planets less cool in odyssey I lost drive to play this game. If they fixed this please PLEASE CORRECT ME

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Karrde 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

"Designed to look positive?" Those are objective lies. The alpha was not a success, and connectivity issues are not the customer reported reason for negative reception. As an investor thats direct misrepresentation or material self delusion at best. Wow, lieing about how your customers see your product to your boss. Can they sink any lower?

EDIT: How could you even associate with an entity that does this.. makes that crap and goes around telling people that you loved it. The disrespect is pretty serious. It probably also explains the nature of the community management as well.. why the norms seem impossible. I feel sullied.

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Steven K 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I am surprised there are players that actually give a single shit about power play.

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Chesteryoso 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

"…despite a successful alpha period…" Wow, just wow.

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Sebastian Knight 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

botting would not be a thing if this game was not just pure grind.
The game is engineered around cosmetic, and the ARX currency was created to make you believe you can get nice shit from the store only to entice you into spending money for those extra missing ARX.

ED is dead, and the dev give zero fuck.

i would have more fun if i could host my own server and edit the game to play my favorite star trek ships. instead of being a shity grinding fest with no real purpose

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Hungry Owl 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Uninstall and you FDEV problems will be solved.

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Dr Speck 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I would advise this. Stick together ED community, like no other time before today. Look deeper at the financial report details because the echo chamber, that FDEV disconnect they denied having, is proving itself to you right there. Even after they denied you the facts (but took your money and rushed the broken game into your library), they were talking to shareholders from the other side of their cheeks. “Successful Alpha”. They ignored your data for alpha and put it out rushed. Remember, we all played another version of EDO while they were ignoring all of that alpha data you gave them.

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Phoebious Z 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Regarding frontier and their business: you are far too lenient. Just like the majority of journalists.

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Thaurane 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

They are unwilling to do the same because they still don't care about players. By showing how much of an issue botting is, they risk their investors and stocks taking a hit again and again. If Odyssey's release showed anything. Is that by release it just before their end of year report they only care about money. Sure, they are a business and making money is what they are supposed to do. But when you spit on your customer while you make money you might as well shoot yourself in the foot. The only reason they are addressing the massive failure of a launch Odyssey was through bug and performance fixes is because their stocks too a heavy nose dive.

I made that previous comment without knowing about the report coming up in the video. That report was also just more PR. We all know it was far more than just connectivity issues. Bugs and massive performance issues were rampant (and to some extent still are). Fuck Fdev. I'm editing my steam review to call this out as well.

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Giorgio Macchi 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Such a shame… connectivity issues is a joke

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Kris G 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Security through obscurity never lasts.

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Tyler Davis 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Does Frontier truly believe its community and investors are stupid enough to believe the crap they say? It sounds like they are in constant denial and afraid to take accountability for their mistakes.

Literally all they have to do is be honest with the community and themselves, then just take action accordingly. It isn't rocket science…

Frontier frustrates me so much with how they handle just about everything.

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Quecksilber 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Botting can not reproduced? Really Frontier? Buy the damn bot and try it yourself?

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Sophia Bogard 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

They do not discuss how it is being used and why botting exists and why they allow it to exist is because generally speaking this game is not fun for a new player and the grind is absurd and has kept me from ever playing this game seriously. it has no interest in casual players and offers no unique experience for those casual players to ever bother. Also it likely generates much larger user numbers than they are willing to admit so would rather have those numbers and suffer the negative reports. Similar to airlines. It is better to randomly payout a law suit than replace all the planes.

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J Hsieh 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Brokers don't prepare a company's financials. The report is prepared internally at FD.

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p0k314COM 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Now it looks they try lie own shareholders. Interesting. More and more interesting. This annual raport looks like a scam, hard to believe that it is official documentation not PR only usage. What next?

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Gary Williams 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I still can't buy a drink at the bar or sit on a chair and watch the space station go by in odyssey. Silly I know but I can do that in NMS.

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•Δ• Callsign Tallowwood •Δ• 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

There is only two reasons Frontier would not release numbers for bans.
Both are bad.
1. The number of bans are uncomfortably low either due to inability to track bots and hackings.
2. The number of bans is uncomfortably high, due to an excessive amount of bot/hack use

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Impromptu 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

They seriously can't fake a botting operation internally to analyse the problem? Surely they could just have someone play as a player.

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Harold N 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

There is no way in the Milky Way they have 100,000 players. Peak concurrent players on steam barely reaches at or above 5k players nowadays. I know that's only a slice of player base but there is no way 95k players are active between epic and consoles.

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TheHelo10 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Considering how inept at optimization FDev is with Odyssey, my suggestion to console players is not to expect Odyssey release for old gen at all at this point.

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Common Raccoon 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Star Citizen isn't even out of testing and Elite considers sunsetting. Wooo! My Grandsons will have one hell of a bedtime story saga while they play Star Citzen with the ships i bought for them during kickstarter and later the year..

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tomusmc1993 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Well. The BGS is the only thing I really enjoyed aside from exploration (which has its limits) good to know it is borked too. 🤦‍♂️

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keith gilham 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

As a console player I’m still salty about the whole “fuckupdate”

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Jari Gustafsson 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

nine botters disliked this video

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Viking84 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Connectivity issues….. hah! Bugs aside, Odyssey itself is sub par, the FPS gameplay is down right awful and not something I believe many Elite commanders were really looking for in the first place. Imagine a poll a year ago:

Do you want
a) Ship interiors, the ability to walk around space stations in a living breathing universe, on foot explorationof planetary surfaces
or
b) Another endless gear grind and some Quake 3 Arena style rocket jumping shootouts, and man made objects littered all over the entire galaxy?

Maybe I'm wrong but I really can't see how any of the on foot shooter gameplay matches up with Elites previous design philosophy (besides being an embarrassingly obvious copy of the ship combat mechanics).

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Federico C. 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

And no console version of Odyssey on the horizon… i actually have no motivation to continue playing…

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Yaldabaoth 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I think we all know where Elite's trajectory is going and nothing is going to change that anymore. Frontier had so many chances and used none. They are either unwilling or incapable, perhaps both.

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Aeoteroa 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Nobody gives a fuck this game is dying anyway

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Robin 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Boring game filled with boring grinding, "WhY ArE PeOpLe UsInG BoTs". Well bots are fitting for such a souless game.

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Tricky 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

It just seems so dumb to bot when the grind is so easy and every single account will cost a cheater the full game price.

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Daan van der Rol 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

I rather see persistent bots in my game than the cheating ai npcs frontier uses.

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Anya N Page 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Frontier are damn right lying to deceive potential investors.

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Frans Nyblom 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

@5:46 Oof. If those entry stairs is in line with the ship's metrics in general then i can see why FD are a bit hesitant to commit to ship interiours.

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Happisak's Happi Place. 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

Lots of people in the chat wondering why (dissapointed why) Elite hasn't crashed and burned. probably because it's still very popular by the majority of it's players.

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Leapan Sumo 12/09/2021 - 3:30 Chiều

If my account gets deleted due to inacrtivity, that only gives me less insentive to play ED, as there is no way I'm going to start all over again. I think I'll keep putting my time into MSFS2020 and SC which is a much more rewarding experience anyway IMO.

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